In this episode on Speaking Out of Place podcast Professor David Palumbo-Liu talks with M. E. O’Brien and Eman Abdelhadi about their dazzling and challenging book, Everything for Everyone: An Oral History of the New York Commune, 2052 to 2072. They imagine a world haunted by genocide, ecocide, disease, fascism, and viral capitalism, but rather than writing a dystopian novel, O’Brien and Abdelhadi create a complex mosaic of oral histories, in which they each play the part of interviewer. The result is a story that far exceeds New York and the twenty years noted in the title. The histories cover generations across the globe, and reach into the deep sources of trauma, and the kinds of mutual care we will need to not only survive, but also to thrive in these frightening times.
Eman Abdelhadi is an academic, organizer and writer based in Chicago. She is co-author of "Everything for Everyone: An Oral History of the New York Commune, 2052-2072," a revolutionary sci-fi novel published in 2022 with Common Notions Press. She is an assistant professor and sociologist at the University of Chicago, where she researches American Muslim communities, and she is a columnist at In These Times magazine where she writes on the Palestine Liberation movement and American politics. Eman organizes with the Salon Kawakib collective, Faculty and Staff for Justice in Palestine at the University of Chicago, Scholars for Social Justice and other formations.
M. E. O’Brien writes and speaks on gender freedom and capitalism. She has written two books: Family Abolition: Capitalism and the Communizing of Care (Pluto Press, 2023) and a co-authored speculative novel, Everything for Everyone: An Oral History of the New York Commune, 2052–2072 (Common Notions, 2022). She is a member of the editorial collective of Pinko, a magazine of gay communism. Her work on family abolition has been translated into Chinese, German, Greek, French, Spanish, Catalan, and Turkish.
Previously, she coordinated the New York City Trans Oral History Project, and worked in HIV and AIDS activism and services. She completed a PhD at NYU, where she wrote on how capitalism shaped New York City LGBTQ social movements. She currently works a psychotherapist in private practice and is a psychoanalyst in formation.
EMAN ABDELHADI
The book is a speculative fiction novel that imagines a transition out of capitalism in the nation-state in the next few decades, but it is composed of a series of fictional oral history interviews. We imagine ourselves in the future, and we are writing a book to celebrate the 20th anniversary of a food riot that launches the New York version of this kind of revolutionary transition. We are conducting various oral histories with different actors, some who participated in the revolution and some who grew up in the new social form, which is the commune. The book consists of a series of 12 interviews that we trade off as interviewers. It was actually Michelle’s idea to write the book. She had written a fictional oral history interview for an online magazine and invited me to create a whole novel of these interviews. We both have a relationship with oral history as a form of research and engagement with the world. I conduct life history interviews for my sociological research, and Michelle ran a New York Trans Oral History project, which is a great archive that people should check out. It has 200 interviews, so we both have experience in this field. We are both science fiction fans, friends, and comrades. I have spent many years discussing politics, the future, and the left. The book is a culmination of all these elements, representing an intersection of various facets of our lives as scholars, as well as our friendship and comradeship. We pitched the book to Common Notions, presenting a general outline of the world and brief paragraphs about each character we thought we might write about. They encouraged us to proceed, and the rest is history.
M. E. O’BRIEN
We are each our own, the primary authors of the chapters where we present ourselves as future fictional interviewers, but also drastically rewrote each other's chapters in layering them and adding richness and depth to them with our slightly different focuses. But ultimately, the chapters really reflect, I think, our collaboration both intellectually and politically and in actual writing process as well.
Speaking Out of Place, which carries on the spirit of Palumbo-Liu’s book of the same title, argues against the notion that we are voiceless and powerless, and that we need politicians and pundits and experts to speak for us.
Judith Butler on Speaking Out of Place:
“In this work we see how every critical analysis of homelessness, displacement, internment, violence, and exploitation is countered by emergent and intensifying social movements that move beyond national borders to the ideal of a planetary alliance. As an activist and a scholar, Palumbo-Liu shows us what vigilance means in these times. This book takes us through the wretched landscape of our world to the ideals of social transformation, calling for a place, the planet, where collective passions can bring about a true and radical democracy.”
David Palumbo-Liu is the Louise Hewlett Nixon Professor and Professor of Comparative Literature at Stanford University. He has written widely on issues of literary criticism and theory, culture and society, race, ethnicity and indigeneity, human rights, and environmental justice. His books include The Deliverance of Others: Reading Literature in a Global Age, and Speaking Out of Place: Getting Our Political Voices Back. His writing has appeared in The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Nation, Al Jazeera, Jacobin, Truthout, and other venues.
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