The Creative Process Β· Poetry & Prose
/YU YOUNG LEE
Welcome to this podcast series, a new chapter of The Creative Process dedicated to celebrating and sharing poetry and short prose. My name is Yu Young Lee, and I'm joined by Mia Funk, the founder of The Creative Process, to talk more in depth about this project and our hopes and visions for it. Would you like to describe what kind of organization The Creative Process is?
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MIA FUNK
The Creative Process is a traveling exhibition and international educational initiative and podcast. During Coronavirus times, some of our exhibitions have been postponed, but weβve been continuing the podcasting process and various other initiatives that we have with universities. We have the participation of over 70 leading universities, schools and educational groups, as well as parallel projects to do with the environment that we're now working with a number of green groups in the run up to the UN Conference for Climate Change.
I feel so fortunate to work with wonderful groups of passionate students, young poets, and then those more established in their careersβleading artists, writers, creative thinkers across the arts and sciences. Theyβve added their voice to The Creative Process whose works appear in the traveling exhibition, which is so inspiring.
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YL
There are so many projects that The Creative Process is part of, with so many different voices. How would this branch fit into the whole picture?
The Creative Processκ° μμνκ±°λ μ§κΈ μ°Έμ¬νλ νλ‘μ νΈκ° λ§μλ°μ, μ΄ μλ‘μ΄ μμ μ°λ¬Έ λΆμΌλ μ 체 κ·Έλ¦Όμ μ΄λ»κ² λ€μ΄ λ§μ μ μμκΉμ?
MF
We'll be sharing it as part of our main podcasts. We have been interviewing short fiction writers and poets from the beginning, but we havenβt had a chance to focus on them in as much depth as we would have liked to. Those who have already participated or will shortly be participating include Marge Piercy, Etgar Keret, Alice Fulton, Amy Gerstler, Alice Notley, Yusef Komunyakaa Daniel Khalastchi, David Tomas Martinez. With this project, we really want to celebrate the important work that poets and flash fiction writers do, particularly in these times where we're going through this pandemic. Many of us are reaching for comfort or ways of understanding the world. And one of those ways has always been poetry.
μ£Όμ νμΊμ€νΈμ μΌλΆλ₯Ό 곡μ ν μμ μ΄μμ. μ ν¬λ μ²μλΆν° λ¨νΈ μμ€ μκ°μ μμΈλΆλ€μ΄λ μΈν°λ·°λ₯Ό ν΄μμ§λ§, μ°λ¦¬κ° λ°λΌλ λ§νΌ μ§μ€μ μΌλ‘ κΉκ² μ΄ν΄ν μ μλ κΈ°νκ° μμμ΄μ. μ΄λ―Έ μ°Έμ¬νκ±°λ κ³§ μ°Έμ¬ν μκ°λ Marge Piercy, Etgar Keret, Alice Fulton, Alice Notley, Amy Gerstler, Yusef Komunyakaa, Daniel Khalastchi, David Tomas Martinez, κ·Έλ¦¬κ³ λ λ§μ μμΈλΆλ€κ³Ό μ½λΌλ³΄λ₯Ό ν κ±°μμ.
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YL
Yes, I'm really excited to hear all the different perspectives that these poets and writers will share, especially during this unprecedented time. Each poet or writer will bring something new to each episode. Are we looking to do themed episodes? Or will we have open submissions, allowing episodes to emerge based on the pieces we receive?
μ§κΈ μ΄ μ λ‘μλ μλμ κ΄ν μμΈλ€κ³Ό μκ°λ€μ κ°μκ³Ό μνμ λ€μ μκ°μ μ λ κΈ°λλλ€μ. μλ§ κ°κ° μνΌμλμ μλ‘μ΄ κ΄μ μ΄ λ°νμ§κ² μ£ . μ΄ νλ‘μ νΈλ ν λ§λ₯Ό λ°λΌμ μνΌμλλ₯Ό μ°Ύκ³ μκ±°λ, μλλ©΄ μκ΄ μμ΄, λ§μ μ£Όμ μ μ μΆλ μλ₯Ό 곡κ°ν κ³νμΈκ°μ?
MF
Well, I think that people tend to think about a lot of the same things, and many of the things are eternal. Like right now, these times have made us think about isolation, or familyβthese kinds of broad themes. We could possibly have some thematic podcasts, but I don't like to limit it to just that. I always say people should submit their best or more representative work, just work that is most meaningful to them.
κΈμμ, μ λ μ¬λλ€μ΄ λΉμ·ν μκ°μ΄λ κ°μ μ κ°κ³ μλ κ² κ°μμ. κ·Έλ¦¬κ³ κ·Έλ° ν λ§λ μμ¬μ μΌλ‘ νμ μμκ³ , μμνλ€κ³ μκ°ν΄μ. μΈλ‘μ, κ°μ‘±, μ΄λ° μ’ λ₯μ κ΄λ²μν μ£Όμ μ λν΄ μκ°νκ² λ§λ€μμ£ . μ£Όμ λ³ νμΊμ€νΈκ° μμ μλ μμ§λ§ μ¬κΈ°μ μ ννκ³ μΆμ§λ μμμ. μ λ νμ μμ μ μ΅κ³ μ μνμ΄λ κ°μ₯ μλ―Έμλ λν μνμ μ μΆν΄μΌνλ€κ³ λ§ν΄μ.
YL
Literally, there's an infinite amount of themes and topics and ideas to write about. And for me, personally, I find it really interesting how we gather around and explore very similar spaces. You know, the fact that we have different but similar ideas about themes you said, like isolation, love, family. It seems like there are matters that universally call upon us to write about.
λ§ κ·Έλλ‘, μΈ μμλ μ£Όμ μ μμ΄λμ΄λ 무ννμ£ . κ°μΈμ μΌλ‘ μ°λ¦¬κ° λͺ¨μ¬μ λ§€μ° μ μ¬ν μμ΄λμ΄λ₯Ό νμνλ κ²μ΄ μ λ§ ν₯λ―Έλ‘μμ. μλ‘ λ€λ₯΄μ§λ§ λ λΉμ·ν μκ°μ κ°μ§κ³ μλ€λ μ¬μ€, μλ₯Ό λ€λ©΄ μΈλ‘μ, κ°μ‘±, μ¬λ, μ΄λ° μ£Όμ λ‘, κΈμμλ μ°λ¦¬ μΈμμμλ μμνλ€κ³ λ΄μ. 보νΈμ μΌλ‘ μ°λ¦¬κ° κΈμ μ¨μΌνλ μ΄μ μ΄κΈ°λ ν κ² κ°μμ.
MF
So I like to leave the submissions open ended. I think if anything, we wouldn't do short fiction, mainly just because of space. I mean, properly long, short stories. I just don't think there's the space for it.
You also asked about how this will be a little bit different, because before we'd focus mainly on interviews. So this project will include interviews with an episode focusing on a single poet, but then we'll also be having episodes that are readings of poetry. Tell me about why poetry is the medium that speaks most to your imagination.
κ·Έλμ μ£Όμ λ νμ λμ§ μμ λ€μν μ£Όμ λ‘ νκ³ μΆμ΄μ. κΈμ΄ λ무 κΈΈμ§λ§ μμΌλ©΄, μλ λ¨νΈ μμ€ βνλμ ν½μ βμ΄λ , λͺ¨λ μ’μ κ² κ°μμ. μ΄ νλ‘μ νΈμ μ½κ° λ€λ₯Έ μ μ νλ μμ΄μ. μ΄μ μλ μ°λ¦¬κ° μ£Όλ‘ μΈν°λ·°μ μ΄μ μ λ§μΆμλ€λ©΄, μ΄λ²μλ νΉν μνμ λ§μ κ΄μ¬μ λκ±°μμ. κ·Έλμ μ΄κ²λ ν λΆμ μμΈκ³Ό μΈν°λ·°λ νκ³ , μλ λλ νλ κΈ°νλ κ°μ§ κ±°μμ. μλ₯Ό μ μ’μνμΈμ? μ μμ¨μ μλ λ¬΄μ¨ μλ―Έκ° μλμ?
YL
I like poetry because it's very fragmentary in its nature. And I like how raw and bare it can be, how space can be so purposeful, in terms of how it looks on the page, but also just how it permeates our sense of hearing. The pauses that come with poetry. And I like the things that are missing in poetry. I think it makes it whole, which is kind of contradictory.
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MF
Alice Notley once said to me that poetry is about now, that we are poetry. Novels or other kinds of sequential fiction are always focused on what happens next. And I had never seen it in that perspective before. But that goes back to what's close to you. Youβre holding a poem in the present, really, you personally, individually have to experience it. And, of course, as you speak about empty spaces, and you're also a ceramicist.
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YL
I do make ceramics. Both by hand building and on the wheel. I love it so much. And I think that my experience writing poetry and my experience working with clay, they really go together. Because in this medium of ceramics, you're always thinking about space as well, and how you're shaping it and how you're working with a very difficult material. Clay, I noticed it's more fickle. And it takes time to understand the rhythm and how it wants to be shaped.
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MF
So the pandemic has brought you back to Korea. And of course, you were born in Korea, but I know that like myself, you've lived in different countries. You left when you were two, so I wondered what it was like experiencing Korea, almost for the first time.
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YL
Yes, because of the pandemic, I've moved back to Korea to be with my family. And I'm finally here, rooted at least for the time being. I've actually never lived in Korea, the way I'm living in it right now.
λ€, μ½λ‘λ λλ¬Έμ κ°μ‘±κ³Ό ν¨κ»μκΈ° μν΄ νκ΅μΌλ‘ λμμμ΄μ. μ§κΈ μμΈμ μλλ°, λ§μ κ²μ κ²½νν μ μμ΄μ μλ‘κ³ μ κΈ°ν΄μ.
MF
I think it's interesting to come back home. It's almost like a new place, you're a stranger in your own land. I should also mention here that alongside interviews with poets and flash fiction writers that weβll also be conducting some interviews with Korean artists, and writers, and those who are in the Korean diaspora.
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YL
And Mia, youβre also a very creative person, as an artist, a painter, and I was wondering if you could share some insight into your creative process.
κ·Έλ¦¬κ³ Miaμ¨ μμ μμ κ°, νκ°λ‘μ λ§€μ° μ°½μμ μΈ μ¬λμ΄μ£ . λΉμ μ μ°½μκ³Όμ μμ μ΄λ»κ² μκ°μ λ°λμ§ μκΈ°ν΄μ€ μ μμ΄μ?
MF
Well, I grew up around artists of many disciplines. I also grew up on university campusesβthey were kind of my preschool. So I think I've always been asking questions. I had a realization through guest lecturing universities that maybe some students didn't have the same experience that I did. They were interested in the arts, but maybe didn't have access to some of these artists in the fields that they wanted to go into. And so I felt fortunate, because I helped launch a number of cultural centers, and because Iβve been working with literary museums for over 20 years, I could act as a bridge to bring together these people.
I could involve students in this project, so that they can start off on their artistic path. I like to be useful in that way. I love to see how they get inspired by these conversations, and in turn, how they inspire these notable artists who are maybe more advanced in their careers. And you know what, it reminds them about how they themselves got started. Sometimes youβre doing something so long, and you kind of forget what was the initial impetus. But then they remember. And itβs important never to forget, why we became artists in the first place.
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The Creative Processλ₯Ό ν΅ν΄μ μ΄λ° κ²μ λν΄μ μκ°νκ² λΌμ.
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To be included in special podcasts celebrating poetry and flash fiction. You can submit a reading of your work at www.creativeprocess.info/poetryprose and we'll get in touch about the possibility of taking part in an interview for the creative process.
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μ λλκ³ κ°μνκΈ° μν νΉλ³ νμΊμ€νΈμ μ°Έμ¬ νκ³ μΆμΌμλ©΄, www.creativeprocess.info/poetryproseμμ λΉμ μ κΈμ λλ
ν μμ± νμΌμ μ μΆν΄μ£Όμλ©΄, μΈν°λ·°μλ μ°Έμ¬κΈ°νμ λν΄ μ°λ½ λλ¦¬κ² μ΅λλ€.
Yu Young Lee is an Associate Podcast Producer and Digital Media Coordinator at The Creative Process. She is a student at Georgetown University and is majoring in English. Yu Young is passionate about the arts and humanities, and likes to spend her time reading, writing, and making ceramics. You can find her personal creative works at her website.
Mia Funk is an artist, interviewer and founder of The Creative Process.
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